WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. source: Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. No furloughs or termination?? What's done in the dark always comes to light. Viewing this report requires Adobe Reader be installed on your device. I have knowledge of quite the contrary. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that Furloughs.too bad. CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. Its a great formula. Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. Piaggio Aero, on the other hand, is still steadily producing its model. It has delivered nearly 200. The idea behind the Avanti has always been remarkably simple and completely outside the turboprop box. Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: The twin-engine airplane departed 23 minutes behind schedule to pick up passengers at an intermediate airport. Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I have real concerns about their future. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Air Force looks toward automation with Reliable Robotics, Boeing, NASA to develop sustainable airliner. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. The Avanti EVO is the fastest turboprop available currently. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. If anyone has any insight please share it. At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. The difference between the two, they say, is that the forward wing, while a lifting surface, is not a controllable one. You need to check your facts pal, they offered voluntary leaves to avoid furlough up until recently a handful of people have been fired for the slightest error in judgement. .intend to return to the 121 world. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. The pilots had secured an engine and were having orientation issues due to instrumentation failures. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. But that there are some management issues. You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. Then, Cessna built a tougher Citation which you see today - more ready for fractional use. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. Most charter operators fly the Avanti II with a crew of two. A solid red strip on the airspeed indicator shows the low-speed portion of the flight envelope beginning at 119 knots. Any altimeter setting mismatch is shown by a yellow line beneath the altimeter setting on the PFD, and the pressurized cabin is set to climb at 300 fpm. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. Why wouldn't they do it maybe 5 aircraft at a time? How do I get out of my lease and is there an opportunity for owners to get together to take action? Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. Max range / 1,470 nm. To date, of the aircraft in the fleet that have been inspected, there have been no compliance or airworthiness issues. It is, instead, a forward wing. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. With the hammer down and in the low 30s, Avanti IIs can hit 400 KTAS on 800 pounds per hour. After wed checked figures at 380, we headed down briefly to FL 320 on the way back to Dallas. Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. These inspections and other actions are still underway. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. Thanks guys, Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. I kept on the controls through a number of heading changes much up into the midteens before switching on the autopilot. During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. Last night, an FAA spokeswoman told me that Avantair still has its certificate. pilot operation, so when a small amount of fogging briefly appeared on my (right) screen, the clear pattern would allow the left-seat pilot adequate visibility. Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. Try using low-flow fixtures. Oh, and "coincidentally" perhaps, I got an email request for some documents that they were missing from my file yesterday, which I sent over. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. The biggest problem I had was in remembering that I wasnt flying a jet and that mounted 30 feet in back of me, completely out of sight, were two turboprop engines. The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. Today's grounding is the 4th time in 2 weeks they have grounded the fleet, but the previous times they had slowly returned airplanes to service. Villi took control from me to give me a rest. If anyone in North Florida is interested let me know. RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. But it was not his fault that it. By this I mean the Evo turns through the same number of degrees as your feet move on the pedals until you put in a sustained input when the full nosewheel deflection of 50 degrees is felt and the turning circle feels extremely nimble and asymmetric braking is not needed. I am under a recent lease agreement. They are understandably bitter and we don't blame them.). When Flying first flew the Avanti in 1990, we predicted that its great fuel efficiency would be a big selling point, and that has been true. #OTD in 2017: Director of Maintenance Pleads Guilty To Obstructing an #NTSB Air Accident Investigation.https://t.co/P84ir4v0L5 #flightsafety #aviationsafety #aviationmaintenance pic.twitter.com/fA2oHltndZ, This information is added by users of ASN. Length / 47 ft 3 in P180 Avanti Hydraulic. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. WebThe pilot said he was flying the RNAV GPS runway 36 approach in 3 miles visibility and that the wind was from 070 at 9 knots. The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. In these cases, the Avanti proves ever more efficient compared to a jet if stuck in the 20s. The second engine was started and after-start checks completed. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. Piaggios P180 Avanti created quite a splash with its 1990 certification in the United States. When the crew tried to explain that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. Comments since yesterday, Oct. 25, seem oblivious to the safety of flight issues. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. It was spot on. Willing to purchase them from you. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. Villi and I then headed to Genoa for some instrument approaches. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. Later versions of the P.180 included the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti II. Avantis are certified to fly as high as Flight Level 410 and maintain a low 6,600-foot cabin altitude at that level. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. Anyone interested in the truth can re-read Piaggio drivers 4 part post. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. The Avanti takes that formula and pushes it to the design edge, achieving that performance with a great deal less power than in comparable jet products and with the best cabin in the class by a long shot. That said, they never even sent me a quote, which I got elsewhere for a king air (and a Lear 55, I am taking the King Air). Grant handled the radio tuning. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. chrisallegro January 15, 2010, 6:21pm #1. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. At 400 feet, Lorenzo handed me control for my first landing. Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. The cabin provides a comfortable and quiet ride for passengers. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. Pilot Report: Piaggio Avanti Evo - Aviation International Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. Frequent heading changes are required to stay in the area and this allowed me to quickly get a feel for the Avanti. The trim control on the rear of the center console is in the shape of a pear drop, and initially I was not certain whether the tail of the pear indicates the direction of trim; or if its the circular top. When I did, I asked about why I was paying for it, and was told "Well we usually do, but this time we were instructed otherwise.". Stay tuned. It just so happens to be one of the most unusual looking ones too. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. PT6A-66(B) WebP180 Avanti General Description. Findings as to risk: Flying may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. And while I have spoken mainly about our pilots, I would like to commend my fellow employees, especially maintenance, in the other departments. The other huge advantage of the configuration is that it opens up the fuselage, allowing a cabin that is closer to that of midsize jets than light jets. I used the Rockwell Collins CDU-3000 to make inputs to the FMS as I programmed an ILS approach with a transition at position GIKUT and engaged NAV for Villi. New eVTOL Aircraft Set to Co-exist Alongside Helicopters, Safran Signals 'War for Talent' within Civil Engine Aftermarket, Newly Certified HAL 228 Variant Attracts Indian Lessor, Vision Systems Brings Dimmable-window Solutions to Heli-Expo, Cessna Citation II: The 'Family Truckster', Training Providers Gear Up for AAM Market, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. If this had happened at a big passenger airline, they would have been lauded for getting the aircraft to the runway. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. One thats lacking is the single FMS. Perhaps its greatest asset is being the worlds most eco-friendly, twin-turbine business aircraft. ^ Goyer, Robert (19 April 2012). "Piaggio P.180 Avanti II". Flying. Archived from the original on 9 June 2017. Retrieved 19 June 2017. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark ^ Berlin, Jeff (1 March 2008). Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. We would be more than happy to speak with any Colorado based owners who might be looking for an experienced Piaggio crew. My trip has been scheduled for several days so I am perplexed on why they waited until 11pm the night before my trip to tell me about this issue. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. We called for taxi instructions from Villanovas flight information service, So to say that all is negative is wildly incorrect. Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. I still can't believe they are not making this issue public. Height / 13 ft 1 in The company simply does not have the capacity to handle the demand and corners have been seriously cut to try to cover that demand with inadequate resources. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. To remain inside the military area, Villi encouraged me to roll on 45 degrees of bank. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. Although never anywhere near 40 in the last two weeks have been in service. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. 79 dated 17 I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. Once level, we were rewarded with what was nearly the top speed of the P.180, which was consistently 395 knots bumping up to that magical 400-knot figure on a couple of occasions, those figures at around 800 pounds per hour total. While its fleet was grounded, Avantair outsourced trips to third-party charter operators or, in some instances, told customers it was unable to conduct their flights, a spokesman told AIN. He's been flying for 10 years and is available for piaggio owners The voluntary action is being taken in coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration. 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