Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. He was anti-Republican and his family was instrumental in organising the Orange Order in Dublin! Nuts. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. . Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. Catholic fiction teaches us then how to better read the Bible, which demands the both/and reading of the letter and spirit. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. Im redbreast girl too, but recently been sipping on the Bushmills 10, thought now Im interested to try Powers Gold Label! A great whiskey. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: This is excellent. Regards, BTW, while traveling through a Protestant section of Belfast, our tour guide (who had a joke or good story for most Irish traditions) pointed out a notorious Loyalist BarThat bar there (the Hideout)was blown up many times by the IRA during the Troubles. Then he went on to say, If youre ever down and out and ready to end it all, and cash in your chips, go in that bar there and order a double Jameson, and youll find somebody in there to help you with your problem., There is no doubt that the Irish themselves know all about the Catholic Whiskey and the Protestant Whiskey. Jameson is the Catholic Whiskey, and Bushmills is the Protestant Whiskey., I met Noel Campbell owner of Bushmills he told me it does not matter what foot you you Wear your shoe on. But Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). To inject religion into the discussion demeans the very simple fact that whiskey has no religion despite the understandable biases of the past. Period. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . neither, Im a Jew. Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. Some of the comments here are totally rediculous. [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. @Darby OGill. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. Nostrovia!! Whiskey is Catholic. So, so stupid. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. The Roman Catholic Church responded to the Protestant challenge by purging itself of the abuses and ambiguities that had opened the way to revolt . He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! After all, thats what the Jacobites were all about. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. Produced at Cooley for Sidney Frank, it appears to have been geared mainly for the American market. Does anyone know why these bottles were over there ? And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. Bourbon distillers only use barrels once, as the liquor gets its distinct flavor and color from the oak. top off with chilled pulpy orange juice, AND stir lightly .. Asked the guide about it. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. . Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. In a TALL glass.one shot of Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. If you read J.F. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. Right. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. wear my orange on St. Patricks Thanks for the clarification. Jameson was pretty much founded in 1780 when John Jameson a Scottish guy purchased the Bow Street Distillery, which at the time was one of the biggest distilleries in Ireland. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. 1 pint of stout and a halfun of Jameson.. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. Though I guess thats for a different forum. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. Ill take one next time Im out. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. #103. Nose But thats merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork Catholic country. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". As long as its no longer going on in the company today then enjoy. Nice lark, it is my keeper whiskey (special occasion), while Powers is now my everyday spirit. It was their house label Irish before it was readily available in the US. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. Your email address will not be published. Not buying a certain brand of product because of centuries of English overlordship of Ireland is just so stupid on so many levels. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. My grandmother preferred Bushmills (on ice, with a large splash of water). This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. This is quite common from what I hear, and yet another argument in opposition of politicizing these two whiskies. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. I do live in a Hicktown. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. John Jameson was Pentecostal. In 1827, production was reported at 160,270 gallons,[5] and by 1833 had grown to 300,000 gallons per annum. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. It is either good or it is not. No coffee or anything green. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. Palate One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! Yet a great friend of Catholic Ireland. Tullamore Dew, Powers, Paddy, Midleton Very Rare, Green Spot, and . Ill have to try a Manhattan next. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. lol. linseed oil is used on its own or blended with other drying oils, resins and solvents as an impregnator and varnish in wood finishing, as a pigment binder in oil paints, as a plasticizer and hardener in putty and in the manufacture of linoleum. from wikipedia, Michael Jackson Do you have a clue what an ol Yankee could do there for wages? Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. For one, Jameson and Bushmills trade casks and some Jamesons bottles are bottled in the Bushmills distillery as well as knowing many a catholic who have worked there over the years. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. Back to Top. If you had and asked for Bushmills, you would have received a long stare and possibly been asked to leave. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. FoinahYou nailed it. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Thanks all for your comments. Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. This works in the same way that Protestants love their Guinness just as much as Roman Catholics in fact, I know a lot of Catholics who never drink the stuff. Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. [1][2] A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. Believe in the Trinity of God. No matter where it is produced. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. and Rangers F.C., the two largest Scottish football clubs sometimes referred to as the Old Firm, whose support base is traditionally predominantly Catholic and Protestant respectively. Is Misty protestant? @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. I rag on about political whisky to those who are green only on the 17th and 18th of March.Hell, I even Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. There are many places in the States where old ideas hold fast including the brand of Ouisge Beatha you drink. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! Granted, I dont mix my whiskey with Coke or Ginger Ale, so perhaps Im missing the best presentation of Powers Gold Label. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . Polarised. Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. Literal Meaning. I do drink whatever.